START: SEPT. 26, 1998 Edited by MagnerJ@aol.com

1^st son = fathers father

2^nd son = mothers father

3^rd son = father

4^th son = fathers oldest brother

5^th son =fathers 2^nd oldest brother or mothers oldest brother

1^st daughter = mothers mother

2^nd daughter = fathers mother

3^rd daughter = mother

4^th daughter = mothers oldest sister

5^th daughter = mothers 2^nd oldest sister or fathers oldest sister

Date: 8/26/98 12:18:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time

From: magner@hotmail.com (John Magner)

To: MagnerJ@aol.com

I enjoy this information a lot! I managed to find 2 URLs dealing with the USS Trout, a submarine lost in action in WW2. My cousin, Joseph F. Magner was on board. He was a MoMM3, motor machinist mate 1st class - equal to an army staff sergeant (E6). Just below the rank of chief petty officer. The URLs to these sites are:

http://www.subnet.com/MEMORIAL/mf202.htm

http://www.maritime.org/subslost/ss202.shtml

The Trout had a very interesting history. She started the war on patrol off Hawaii while Pearl Harbor was being attacked, although she never found any enemy shipping on that patrol. She made into Manila Bay just as the Americans were about to be driven off and she took out a large stash of Filipino gold as ballast, to keep it from falling to the Japanese.

In early 1944, she left Pearl Harbor. She put in at Midway for refueling and was never seen again. A Japanese convoy had formed up in Taiwan, then called Formosa, and steamed towards the Philippines. The convoy consisted mostly of supply ships and troop carriers. It did have destroyer escorts.

On February 29, 1944, about midway to its destination, that convoy was attacked by a submarine. One ship was sunk and a few others badly damaged. The Japanese destroyers attacked the submarine and were pretty sure they had successfully destroyed it.

After the war, the US Navy had all of the records from the Japanese Imperial Navy. They read this report and then compared it to their own reports of friendly submarine activity. They concluded that the only sub in that whole area was the USS Trout. It just seems odd that it would go down on February 29, for some reason.

There are a couple of interesting books on submarine warfare and a couple of interesting web sites.

Hope this is of some help or some interest.

John Magner

Subj: Re: Magner Page

Date: 8/26/98 6:55:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time

From: Xoa

To: MagnerJ

Hello

I found some papers (notes) I took while trying to get info on the Magner, McKenna, Drynin, Murray lines

Well the Magner line wasn't James Magner, but Eddy Magner

Eddy Magner m. Mary Drynin, when, no date

They had Mary born in Roxbury, Ma. 1893, later moved to South Boston across the way from GATE of HEAVEN Church m. James McKenna buried in Bennington, NH

Eddy b. unknown

Annie, b: unknown. m Johnny Breslin of Charlestown Ma.

Mary Drynin born in Passage West 1870

Eddy Magner lived in Charlestown Ma. b Fermoy Ire.

Subj: Magner's -Reply

Date: 8/24/98 10:58:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time

From: BYRNEL@tcg.com (Lorraine Byrne)

To: MagnerJ@aol.com

Hi,

This is really interesting. We are the right Magner family as my Uncle Eddie was a bus driver for Public Service for many years before retiring.

Tonight I am going to spend some time and dig out the family tree and other information if I can find it.

I believe the Dennis Magner you mentioned lived in Warwick, RI. I remember John Magner who was my mother's age who must have been a son of Dennis. I think John used to work for the New England Telephone Company.

I will fill you in on any other information I come up with.

Lorraine

Subj: magner lines

Date: 8/22/98 2:08:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time

From: miracle@ipinc.net (Miracle Sign Company)

To: MagnerJ@aol.com

Jim, Thank you for your information. I called a relative who sent me a death certificate for my husband's grandfather Francis James Magner, Sr. He was born in Iowa June 22, 1893. His father was David Magner b. Iowa His mother was Nellie Maley (Maller) b. Illinois I still don't have any proof of Irish Connections but I would like to connect with your group to see where I Can get with your info.

My address is Lynne Magner, Oregon

Thank you for your time and energy....lynne

Subj: Re: Magner Homepage

Date: 9/4/98 8:38:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time

From: Bfloind

To: MagnerJ

Thanks very much for e-mailing us with the Homepage. We enjoyed looking at it. My husband Randy was born in 1962 in Bloomington Indiana. His father’s names is Phillip Magner and his grand father's name was Byron Magner who was born in Spencer Indiana or possibly Iowa. I don't know if this is of any help or interest in your search of family. We would love to see anything that relates. My husband always was under the impression that he was German until we were in Orlando and had his Coat of Arms pulled and found he was Irish and from Cork County Ireland, since then we have found it interesting. Thanks again, Beth and Randy Magner

Subj: Magner geneology

Date: 9/3/98 2:29:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time

From: ecmarquez@emtc.mtcs.tec.me.us (Cathryn E. Marquez)

To: MagnerJ@aol.com

I just found your home page and thought you might like to hear from a "lost" branch of the Magners, consisting of my husband Charles adopted at birth in Hawaii during W.W.II, son of Jerry Magner and Lillian Abbott.

They were unmarried, he a Naval officer from California, she a young Navy civilian employee who left St. Louis after business school to see the world and help with the war effort. My husband was adopted by Charles N. Marquez Jr. and his wife, Lucille Brock Marquez. He spent his childhood in Hawaii and moved to Maine with his adoptive parents at the age of 12. At age 42, he decided to learn more about his medical history and ethnic background about which he had zero information. We found his birth father Jerry Magner, since deceased in Solana Beach, Ca. and my husband's three half siblings, Jerry Jr., Wendy and Jeffrey from a marriage occurring after the war. Our children are Dan age 20 and Sarah age 15. We have some family history provided by Jerry before he died, his antecedents including Wallace Magner, Jerry's dad and Charles Magner, grandfather, I believe. I would be glad to share this info with you and would like to know more to see where, if any the connection leads to the Magners you have researched. My children have all kinds of knowledge about their maternal side of the family but know nothing about their dad's side, except having been able to meet with their aunt and uncle, Jeffrey and Wendy a couple of times.

Subj: Loved your site

Date: 9/1/98 11:40:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time

From: bnirvava@execpc.com (dale t. magner)

Reply-to: bnirvana@execpc.com

To: MagnerJ@AOL.COM

Hi

I'm a Magner my marriage. I've done a lot of research. Not able to make many connections, but I keep searching. My husband’s family is from County Cork, We just got a new computer, so my most recent results or findings are buried. But, I think the town is something like Dori....I can't even guess right now.

Another day I guess,

But, I really enjoyed all the info that you had & done very nice.

Thank You,

Sherry Magner

Subject: Re: Magner, Flynn, Wade, Roventini

Date: 9/3/98 7:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time

From: BoJoWright

Message-id: <1998090311343200.HAA13742@ladder03.news.aol.com>

Hi, My ggm was also named Ellen Magner and had sisters named Hannah, Julie and

Maggie and a brother named Jack (as far as I know) She married a Terrance Gallagher on Staten Island, New York and Hannah moved to Hoboken where her son-in-law James Lundigan was a commissioner. I believe they were from Dublin and came over around 1869 after the death of their parents. Hope this helps some. Bob Wright

Subj: Magner family

Date: 9/7/98 9:41:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time

From: Mairead123

To: MagnerJ

Hello there,

Not to be blunt , but who are you , where are you located and tell me more about your research.

I am formerly a Magner from County Limerick, in fact my Dad was born in Ballylanders and two of his brothers still live there, one in the home place, all born in the 1920s.

Either e-mail me at Mairead123@aol.com or maireadmagner@hotmail.com

Looking forward to hearing from you

Mairead

Subj: Re: Magner, Flynn, Wade, Roventini

Date: 9/7/98 12:07:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time

From: BoJoWright

To: MagnerJ

Hi Jim:

The only information I have about the Magner's (which I got from my grandmother Ellen Hafey{nee Gallagher} in 1968... she died in 1972... is the following: Ellen Magner (her mother) was born in Dublin in January of 1850 and had three sisters and a brother (Hannah, Julie, Maggie, and Jack). I do not know if these are given names or diminutives. Supposedly her family was well off and lived on an estate with servants (how much of this is wishful thinking I can't say). Ellen supposedly worked as a Post Mistress in the Dublin Post Office until she was about twenty and her parents died; Hannah then decided to move the family to the states and they settled on Staten Island, New York in 1869. It was there she met and married Terrance Gallagher, who was born in County Cork around 1845 and came to the states around 1865. Hannah married Terrance's brother John and they moved to Hoboken, New Jersey. In 1875, Maggie married John Murphy and their great-grandson is former congressman John Murphy. Thanks for the input and the web addresses. Bob Wright

Subj: Magners in Australia

Date: 9/6/98 12:53:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time

From: garnsey@ozemail.com.au (Philippa Garnsey)

To: MagnerJ@aol.com

Hi Jim

I have at long last managed to read all the Magner e-mail, which accumulated, while I was away on holidays. Have found your great web page and looked at most of the information.

I would be interested in providing information to be included on the web site BUT don't know how to go about it!

The information I could provide immediately would be:

- Birth, Death & Marriage indexes for Magners 1788 to 1918 for New South Wales, Australia

- Additions to the Magner Limerick list i.e. about 5 baptisms

• Magner/Fouly family from Limerick to New South Wales, Australia.
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I could also provide at a later date:

-Magner convicts to Australia (there were only 6 but I would have to go the the state archives to find further information on some of them)

- Birth etc indexes to Magners to Victoria, Australia 1788 to 1913 (there are no Magners as early as 1788 in either the NSW or Victorian indexes.)

Let me know what you would like me to do.

Philippa Garnsey

Sydney Australia

Date: 9/1/98 11:40:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time

From: bnirvava@execpc.com (dale t. magner)

Reply-to: bnirvana@execpc.com

To: MagnerJ@AOL.COM

Hi

I'm a Magner my marriage. I've done a lot of research. Not able to make many connections, but I keep searching. My husband’s family is from County Cork, as many. We just got a new computer, so my most resent results or findings are buried. But, I think the town is something like Dori....I can't even guess right now.

Another day I guess,

But, I really enjoyed all the info that you had & done very nice.

Thank You,

Sherry Magner

Subj: Help.

Date: 9/8/98 10:46:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time

From: tfm3@psu.edu (Thomas Magner)

To: MagnerJ@aol.com

Jim,

I would appreciate any information our Magner colleagues could supply on the background of my great-grandfather and his wife.

Subj: Griffiths Valuation-Magners

Date: 9/8/98 4:34:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time

From: garnsey@ozemail.com.au (Philippa Garnsey)

To: MagnerJ@aol.com

Jim

I forgot to tell you in my last email I have purchased a copy of the Griffiths Valuation on CD ROM and would be pleased to do any lookups for Magners on it.

The type of information, which is found, is: Magner Mary

County: Kilkenny

Parish: Ullid

Location: Ballynaboley

You can't search by county only by surname.

Philippa Garnsey

Sydney Australia

Date: 9/9/98 7:09:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time

From: Mairead123

To: MagnerJ, magnera@amp.com, eilismagner@hotmail.com

I had a chat with my Dad just a while ago in fact and he gave me some more of the background on our family...

His father was John and was born in 1880. His grandfather an Edmund was originally from the Clonakility area. They were mainly farmers in the area, and one of them would have had a very big butcher’s shop in Clonakility. His grandmother was Casey. My Dads relations are primarily from South West Cork. My grandfather had one brother and three sisters. The brother Bob came to NY as a young man, either joined the police/ fire dept and was killed within 12 months of his arrival. We found no record of him in the Ellis Island records in the early 1900s.

One of the sisters died suddenly at home at about 50. The other two sisters came to the states (Magggie and Ellen I believe, settled in the Chicago area one married a man by the name of Day, there is still family out in the area....Galvan is now the married name)

Thats about it... Dad confirms that the Magners in the Galbally registers are not related/ very very distant

Looking forward to hearing more

Mairead

Subj: Help.

Date: 9/8/98 10:46:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time

From: tfm3@psu.edu (Thomas Magner)

To: MagnerJ@aol.com

Jim,

I would appreciate any information our Magner colleagues could supply on the background of my great-grandfather and his wife.

Edward Magner (1815-1890) and his wife Nancy Cotter Magner (1816-1876) came according to family tradition from County Cork but I have no data on their parents and other relatives there. Their names first appear in my records in County Clare where their three children, Thomas, Michael and Mary, were born. They arrived in 1853 in Michigan and I know their story from there.

Thomas F Magner at <tfm3@psu.edu>

Subj: Magners' from Bayonne, NJ, and Ireland

Date: 9/11/98 12:35:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time

From: RMagner

To: MagnerJ

Jim:

Received four death certificates from the New Jersey Archives. I will break it down as follows.

Thomas F. Magner - Grandfather - Born in Bayonne, NJ. on March 5, 1878, and died in Cranford, NJ on May 4, 1955 at home living with daughter Edna Ernst (Aunt) and (Uncle) Ambrose Ernst. Buried St. Gertrudes Cemetery, Rahway, NJ on May 7, 1955. He was a retired supv. for Babcock & Wilcox Company.

Mary Edna Magner (maiden name Burke) - Grandmother - Born in New York, New York on May 25, 1886 and died in Dover General Hospital, Morris County, NJ on 19 August 1948. Home residence at time of death was 54 West 6th St., Bayonne, NJ

Buried St. Gertrudes Cemetery, Rahway, NJ on August 22, 1948. Father's name was John E. Burke, born in Indiana. Mother's maiden name was Mary Gill, born in Conneticut. She managed a grocery store in Bayonne, NJ., and a summer hotel in Lakewood, NJ.

Thomas Magner - Great Grandfather - Born in Ireland 1848-1847 - was approximately 22 years old when left Ireland. Died December 15, 1922 at 177 Hobart Avenue, Bayonne, NJ. was retired 20 years at time of death. Buried in Holy Name Cemetery, Jersey City, NJ on December 18, 1922.

Margaret Magner (maiden name Marrinan) - Great Grandmother - Born in Ireland 1857. Died August 28, 1899 at 177 Hobart Avenue, Bayonne, NJ. Buried in Holy Name Cemetery, Jersey City, NJ.

Great-Great Grandfathers are as follows:

Edward Magner - Ireland - No other information at this time (Tracing)

John Marrinan - Ireland - No other information at this time (Tracing)

Great-Great Grandmothers are as follows:

Bridget Magner - Ireland -maiden name looks like Mirkla from Great Grandfathers' death certificate hard to decipher.

Hannah Marrinan - Ireland - Maiden name unknown

Any suggestions on how I can continue further. Will this be enough to start searching in Ireland. Information from relatives is scant. I have more information than they have just from these death certificates. Take care, and God Bless.

Sincerely,

Richard M. Magner