MAGNER INFORMATION 35edited by MagnerJ@aol.com
Date: 11/5/98 8:52:01 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: HIGGINSP1@ilcc.cc.ia.us (Phyllis Higgins)
Dear Jim, Thank you for writing. I have recently received a letter from Ellen Tatara, and I think she has found my grandfather, Grover William Magner. The information concerning his sister and his birth date is what I have from his funeral book. It was very exciting to receive this information after all this time. I will work on the family tree and get sent off as soon as possible. I have not received any -Mail concerning the Magner name for quite some time. The last one I received had my Uncle Virgil Magner's death on it. Hope to receive some information soon. Thanks! firstname.lastname@example.org
Subj: Magners in Ireland
Date: 10/25/98 8:14:06 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: email@example.com (Mark Magner)
My name is Mark Magner. I have the vast experience of about 6 hours in attempting to trace my family tree using the Internet. Almost everywhere I look, I end up bumping into the James Magner that emigrated from Cork to New Jersey in the early 1800's, and who you apparently posted to the Roots Surname List.
I'm so far unable to connect this James to my own family, which also originates in Cork. My great-grandfather was Dr. Edward Magner, of 9 South Mall in Cork and with a country estate "Lakelands". He died in approximately 1920. His wife was Mary Sullivan, who died in 1937. They had a total of seven children, one of whom was my grandfather, Dr. William Owen Magner, born in 1886, who emigrated to Toronto, Canada in May of 1921, and died here in 1952.
In your research, have you bumped into these people? Any information, or suggestions about how to find Edward's ancestors, would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Subj: Attached File
Date: 10/29/98 1:39:00 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: EllenLMT@email.msn.com (Ellen Tatara)
To: MagnerJ@aol.com, firstname.lastname@example.org (Barbara L. Goodbar), email@example.com (Joanne M. Hudson), firstname.lastname@example.org (Donna Sautbine), email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org
I noticed that several people visiting our website are working on a Magner family living in Mercer County, Pennsylvania in the very early 1800s.
I have two pension records which I selectively photocopied while doing research into Magner Civil War military service and pension files at the National Archives in Washington, DC. I think they may help sort out some things, although they don't take the family back any farther than the progenitor I've seen them talk about (Michael Magner, Senr).
I abstracted one record this morning and am attaching it as a separate file. It is a summary of the civil war pension file of Michael Magner Jr. of Mercer Co., husband of Rebecca Craig and Mary Cobb, father of surviving children: Jerome, William, Clara, James, Bessie, Grant and Mabel.
I have another, a pension file for his brother, William Magner. I'll summarize that one and forward it to you to circulate to Mercer County, Pa Magner searchers, also, hopefully within the next 24 hours. (As my Magner cousin -researchers will tell you, if I don't do it immediately, it can take years for me to get something done <g>).
I'm uncertain how to e-mail Barbara Magner
(email@example.com ) since it looks like her address is too long and the Daemon Mailer might kick it back to me if I mailed her a copy. I'm not sure how this material relates to her group, either. Maybe someday she'll know if it's relevant to her search. Could you forward a copy to her, for her information, anyway? And ditto to Tom Magner at Penn State, if he's interested in receiving mail on this family group. Since they seem unrelated to his lines, I wasn't sure whether he would want a "personal" copy or not.
Naturally, everyone should be advised that although I try to be thorough and accurate, as always, people should check the original record themselves, if at all possible, to make sure I haven't committed errors of judgment or transcription, overlooked something important, or otherwise confused us all with some dumb mistake. Best -Ellen
Subj: Re: SHEEHAN / SHEAHAN
Thank you for your reply, we are looking for three women:
Elizabeth Magner widow of John arrived in New York May 1884 traveling with 10 year old Katie Sheehan. Elizabeth initially lived with her sons Thomas and Michael Magner in Jersey City, NJ Elizabeth than disappeared only to resurface in Bridgeport living in various rooming houses from 1890 through 1896, [Bridgeport directory's] she is reported to have died in 1897 but to date we can not confirm where she is buried. [We have a hand written note in her sons Thomas Journal "Mother died Jan 7, 1897] and we suspect in or near Paterson, NJ
We have no concrete idea whom this 10-year-old Katie Sheehan is or how she fits into our family. We do know that when John Magner died that same year March 7, 1884, a Kate Sheehan is listed as witness and occupier at his home in Rockmills, Kildorrery, Cork, Ireland. We suspect this Katie Sheehan as the daughter of this Kate Sheehan, witness and occupier.
We have oral family history that states John Magner was married prior to his marriage to Elizabeth (Sweeney) Magner in 1859 Doneraile, Cork, IR. It is very possible that Kate (witness & occupier) is a married daughter of Johns first marriage. If that is the case Elizabeth was traveling with 10 year old Katie as a step-grandmother.
Courtney Magner: again from oral family history (tape recorded) was a sister [that lived in Bridgeport, CT] of my g-grandfather Thomas Magner she was a widow and the owner of a Pet [bird] Store circa 1900-1910 in Bridgeport.
We have no information as to Courtney's married name but we have located a Bird Store in Bridgeport circa 1900-1912 that was owned by a family with the surname Courtney and lists a Catherine Courtney. Ironically this Bird Store was located two blocks from the address we have for Eliza. Magner widow of John during the same years Elizabeth was alive
Thanks Jim Magner
MAGNER INFORMATION 33A edited by MagnerJ@aol.com
Date: 11/26/98 12:49:29 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Tom Magner)
I have thoroughly enjoyed reading about the Magner Family. My name is Thomas Joseph Magner II and I was named after my grandfather who was born in Cork, Ireland. I reside at 1700 Burning Oak Trail, Barrington, Illinois 60010. It is late so I do not have time to give you a lengthy reply but the one item that amused me. In the early 60's I was a artillery lieutenant in Germany for the Berlin Crisis. Fortunately that was the war that never happened but I went on holiday to Ireland. I very rarely check telephone books for Magners but I did in Dublin. As I recall there were only seven or eight Magners in the book but I noted one of them was a general. I was very tempted to call him but I did not since I was on a tight schedule. I suspect that was the same gentleman who assisted you.
There's another story that my interest you. In 1975 I received a mimeographed letter from Wendy Magner in California who asked me to relate what I knew of our family. I did not respond but kept the letter. Several years later I wrote her to ask for the responses she had received. Her husband sent me the originals of six or seven letters she had received. One of the letters was from my uncle, T. Gerald Magner relating that his father, my grandfather, was a wanted man and hid in a barrel on board ship to escape to America. Unfortunately I have lost those letters but the other Magner that responded were from Vermont and Minnesota.
When I have more time, I will contact you and thanks for what you have done. Good night!
Subj: Fw: Query about Alvina Magner Burns
Date: 11/15/98 2:06:40 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: (Steve Burns)
To: MagnerJ@aol.com (Jim Magner)
I have the following information about my ancestry.
1. Thomas Magner, born 1850 County Kerry Ireland. Died? (Son of Johanna) I think he passed away 1908-17
2. Josephine (Wolf) Magner, born Jan. 10th 1850. Died Sept. 1st 1933 (raised in Homewood IL)
1. Alvina (Magner) Burns, born Oct. 25th 1872. Died Sept. 16th 1934 (birth date/age matches info in 1880 Soundex -8 yrs. census taker spelled her name wrong-Alwine) (Alvina would be my great grandmother - She married my great grandfather Michael John Burns. I am researching the Burns ancestry as well. Michael was born in Freeport Illinois 1865 son of John Burns born 1810 in County Claire, Tipperary Ireland - died Nov. 17th, 1890 - Chicago
2. Thomas (John) Magner JR., born 1878. Died March 8th 1931 (Died in Chicago of heart attack - while scooping snow).
3. Anna Katharine Magner, born 1878. Died Jan. 20th 1957 (never married - went to Glenwood Grade School)
4. Thomas Magner, born Nov. 28th, 1883. Died July 28th 1980 (had home and family in Glenwood, bought the family farm from other brothers and sisters in 1908). There was around 80-100 acres, which is now a golf course. Farmed this ground with horse drawn implements, I have some great pictures.
5. Barbara Magner, born Nov. 8th, 1889. Died June 28th 1960 (never married - went to Glenwood Grade)
6. Josie (Magner) Kelly - she married Charles Kelly son of Lawrence Kelly, they had (2) children Charles JR. and Violet. All Charles relation were police officers, investigators, fireman in the Chicago Area.
7. Mary (Mamie Magner) Kirby, born Feb. 22, 1890. Died Jan. 1917. Mamie married Mr. J.O. Kirby Nov. 24th 1915. Baby died Jan. 17th 1917 Mamie died a few days later. Mr. Kirby was in the armed forces, (officer).
I have a baptismal certificate for a Kate Lena Magner (baptized Jan. 31st 1892-something on document about a Cornelius Magner and Mary Sons).
I have a business card - content: Peabody Coal Company, 215 Dearborn Street, Chicago - David Magner and on the card are the following names. F.S. Peabody President, Fred W. Upham - Vice President
I have a reference for a Charlotte A. Magner of 8142 S. Sagamon Street Daughter of the late John and Charlotte Magner. (Very old news clip)
I have (1) Death Type Certificate for a Thomas Magner that died Jan. 10, 1891 at age 47 yrs.
I have (1) Death Type Certificate for a John Magner that died Dec. 5, 1893 no age available.
Most of the above are either buried in St. Joseph's Cemetery in Dyer Indiana or Calvary Cemetery in Chicago.
I have a very old civil war picture-photographed Lookout Mountain (six soldiers sitting on a rock with six signatures' on the reverse - say's 1864 photographed Point Lookout - with my magnifying glass I can only read one of the signatures, (Samuel Smailes).
I have numerous pictures that are (tin) - Magner ancestry. Thanks,
Date: 11/19/98 6:29:50 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: email@example.com (Peter Longford)
Haven't any contact with other family members but my paternal gt-grandfather was Magner- Michael born c 1842 mother Margaret father? Edward BARRY. Michael was also known as Magner-Barry. Joined British Army 1857 [Duke of Wellington's 33rd Regt of Foot as drummer boy - served in Mauritius, Abyssinia, India - retired and went to Tasmania then on to Victoria Australia. Died 1897. Family in Victoria. He is my gt gf. Buried in Melbourne Gen Cemetery. Won VC in Abyssinia in 1868. Any connection?
Subj: Magner in Limerick
Date: 11/23/98 9:33:32 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Anne Lyons (Independent Contractor))
To: email@example.com ('firstname.lastname@example.org')
Hi, I saw you message on Limerick online bulletin board. My mothers maiden name is Magner and we are from Co. Limerick. My grandmother was Wall who married Con Magner from Ardagh Co. Limerick.
Ring any bells? Anne Lyons
Subj: Web Page
Date: 11/10/98 9:00:02 AM Eastern Standard Time
Thanks again for the information you provided me last week. Please feel free to post my original message to the queries. Here's a little of what I may be able to offer the board:
My research, and work done by a cousin of my father, will provide 60 Magners and 100 names of related people over seven generations (my daughter's back to the original immigrants). Relatives in the direct line have more data. Others obviously have less.
It is basically a story of five young people who settle in Wellsville and Andover in the 1840's. Their children grow into adulthood; land is overburden to support them and the inevitable move by them to new lands.
Most of my data was collected years ago by scanning New York State and Federal census reports on microfiche with the Mormons. The cousin visited the area, searched the local records and interviewed older members of their family.
I have a feeling that some of the Magners with West New York roots who have contacted you may find their earliest relatives noted in this information.
In reference to Deborah Woodruff's inquiry, the information is close but does not fit, yet. My records has Bridget Harrington (please excuse name spellings, I'm without my notes) married to John Magner (b. 1815) instead of David (born?) noted by her. Their children's names also differ a little from those listed by Deborah. I think once I contact her and examine the dates, it will make sense as to who is who. Presently, my best guess is she is my 3rd cousin per the consanguinity chart posted on our site.
Please suggest freely ideas on exhibiting my seven generations of genealogy information. It will be interesting to see what we come up with together. After today I'll be out of the office till next Monday.
Best wishes from the land of "Oglethorpe", Stephen A. Magner
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