How_found = Jim E-Mailed me info on churches

Descent = yes

Jim, The luck of the Irish was with me I found my roots in East Cork, in the parish of Middleton. Your County Cork churches were a great help, now I have a question as to how I go about finding out all about this parish, I hear it has a great Brewery! Sincerely Shirley Anne

Name = Joe Shea

Mailing list = YES

Descent = YES

I am seeking the family of Honor Barry & Thomas Magner, married in Cork in 1831. I have the list of children all seven of them. Hanora and Honor and some of her children came to Boston while the kids were under 18. Son David Magner 1834-1904 married Ellen McDonald in Boston and had six more Magners. One daughter, Mary Clare married Frederick Peter Davis in 1893 in Boston. I am not aware of any of the Magners leaving Boston. I would like to connect the dots with other Magner's with roots in the Boston area.

Joe Shea

Subj: Margaret Magner Ryan 7/16/99 8:47:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time

My Margaret Magner was born in Oct 1860. Her Father John was born on PA. Her mother Catherine was born in Ireland Margaret married James Ryan when she was very young (1874 -1875) She had 11 children, 6 girls and 5 boys. James and Margaret moved to SD until 1899. She died in Cherokee Iowa on Feb 3, 1940 at the age of 79. I have her obit and have ordered her death certificate. If this is something of interest please let you know. I have a picture of her taken just before her death. I also have pictures of her some of her children.

Sue Nicholes

Subj: Re: Magner 7/19/99 11:01:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time

Hi Jim. My g-grandfather John came to the U.S. in the middle 1800's I think, and settled in western NY, I believe. The first and only record I have seen of him is the 1900 NY census, John and his wife Marie and children in Medina, NY. Thank you for your consideration.

Have you ever heard of a Dennis Magner from the 19th century who was a famous horse trainer and author? He wrote a book entitled, "The Classic Encyclopedia of the Horse". First printing was 1887, I have a reprint, printed 1980. I don't believe I have seen him mentioned on the web page. Jim

Subj: Magner Trace 7/20/99 3:16:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time

I have stepped into the genealogy pool and find that the water is very deep!

I come from the line of Magners on my grandmother’s side of the family. I can trace back only to Jeremiah Magner who was born in Ireland in 1809. Is there any way I can obtain a list of all Jeremiah Magner's that were born in Ireland, in 1809? I hope to find out who his father and mother were and then go as far back as I can. The Jeremiah Magner that I am talking about settled in McKinney, Texas (USA) and married Sarah E. Searcy on October 7, 1829.

If you can, direct me to where I might locate this information. I feel confident that if I can make this connection, I will be able to drain some of the water from this pool! Thank you for any assistance you can provide. Sincerely,

Michael Magner White, Dallas, Texas 75287

Date: 7/20/99 6:33:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time

From: JimMagner

To: mwhite@keythings.com (Michael M White)

Mike,

Jumping in the water is only half the fun, Irish genealogy you will find is one of the most interesting and frustrating hobbies you can find.

Tracing records before 1860 in Ireland is difficult at best. Another factor was the reluctance of families to register their children. During that era a fine was imposed if a family failed to register within 30 days of a birth. Due to the population being mainly farmers they did not often make it into the towns to register. When they did find the time and means to get to town they would register and perhaps stretch the dates a bit to avoid problems. This is one of the reasons for the many discrepancies with Irish date records

The years prior to 1864 are difficult to find. Some available sources are the Tithes Applotments and Griffth's Index give or take a few years depending on the townland. Grave-markers available mainly in books, some are on line, Mallow Research Centre may be able to give you a listing for Jeremiah Magner's but only for portions [not all] of Cork. In your case not knowing the county could be an expensive and not too rewarding a task. Church record are sometimes available via snail mail but are often not timely nor responsive.

My records indicate Magners were heavy in County Cork, than Tipperary and Limerick with Claire and Dublin carrying a few. I proberly have the largest collection of Magner data available but I clearly do not have it all so searching for unknown sources can be rewarding.

Ireland had a fire during its war for independence that resulted in many records being burned at the capital building. A loss that hurt everyone. The National Archives in Ireland have some records but accessing is again difficult. Short of a trip across the pond and then only with prior confirmed reservations you must have good information available up front. They do offer a search but I understand that good records are necessary up front and you must obtain a access number or Call Number for the person you are searching.

The MAIN KEY to Irish genealogy is to have a clear and definite understanding of the Townland (Place name) that the person was born. Other than that you will find you really don't know which Magner you are searching.

I have the following:

1. Jeremiah Magner born 1809 Ireland (No Place-name or county listed)
2. Jeremiah Magner married Susan E Searcy Clay Missouri, October 7, 1829 [could be him]
3. Jeremiah Jerry Magner Born August 1873, McKinney, Collin County, Texas [could be a grandson] Died March 1, 1845, McKinney, Collin County, Texas
4. Parents John Magner and Sara Ann Elizabeth McDuffie
5. Jeremiah Jerry Magner Married: Mattie Steel, McKinney, Collin County, Texas, December 2, 1914 [could be a great grand son]

Same family???

I assume you have looked at the Magner page for possible sources http://www.magner.org

keep in touch, Jim Magner

I would also note that Major General Jeremiah Magner was from the Cork City area

PS: I would love to see what information you have available for your Magners prior to the 1900s.

Date: 7/20/99 9:18:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time

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Jim,

Thank you for the speedy and informative reply. Somehow I knew this was not going to be easy. It looks like your years of research has really paid off... for the rest of us! I appreciate your help.

The Jeremiah Magner you reference IS my great, great grandfather. The other information you cite is also correct. I sure know better than most that going forward is the easy road. Traveling back in time is the tough way to go. I am just getting started but I have attached what I have so far. If you do not have Microsoft Excel, let me know and I will fax or snail mail it to you. Just send that destination info and I will let 'er rip. Until then, "Howdy" from "Big D" in the great (hot) State of Texas. Thanks again for you interest and help.

Mike

Date: 7/25/99 3:02:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time

Searching = Germany

Hello my name is Nathan Magner, and I am really suprised to find out that the Magner name is Irish. My grandfather is German, from Shleswig Germany. He was taken prisoner in France during WW2 and brought to the U.S. returned to Germany after the war, then came back to the U.S. in 1949. This side of the family can only be traced back to his great grandparents. Can anyone help with a search in Germany?

Thank You Nathan

Date: 8/1/99 12:30:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time

To: JimMagner

I would like to look at individuals in your database, specifically looking for Harriet LaRue who married Daniel (?) Magner in NY. Harriet is my g grandfather's (Enslee) sister. I would like more info about her and the LaRue family if it were available.

Thanks, CiCi

Date: 8/2/99 12:45:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time

To: JimMagner

Hi Jim, sorry it took awhile for me to get back to you. This is CiCi, I'm Mikki's sister. On your web site I was looking for a family tree - perhaps I'm just not getting it. Although you have a lot of data! , I was thinking I might find my Magner by looking at a list of individuals or a decadency chart. Your response suggests that perhaps you don't have our folks in your database. Hope I'm not making more work for you. We just started collecting info a couple of months ago. Here's what I do know (not all info has been verified):

John LaRue m Mary Stewart, probably around 1814

Son John La Rue b1814, Albany, NY married: unknown Helms circa: 1839

2 children: Enslee Benoni LaRue b:1842, MI probably

Harriet Eliza LaRue b: 1844, MI probably

Enslee married Kate Coon - 1 surviving child Frank H. LaRue

Frank married Elsie May Payne, 1913 - 1 child May

May married James William Robinson 1939 (our parents)

Harriet married Daniel Magner, son of William Magner and Margrett, in Lockport or Lakeport, NY. At least one child: Charles B (?) Magner

Sorry I can't be more specific on the dates. I'm including the URL for our website in case you want to look further. Hope this helps, and hope you run across something that will help us.

Good luck, CiCi

Date: 8/2/99 6:36:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time

From: JimMagner

CiCi

I found what I believe are some of your Magner in Lockport in the 1900 and 1920 NY census, I did not check 1880 yet. I can tell you that there are a Query or two on the information page of living descendants of that Lockport family. You can contact them direct from a link at the Searchers page. I will look better tonight as I am sure of a few searchers that have ancestors that are from that area.

These Census are from the Soundex but additional information is available from the actual Census, you can retrieve that from the E.D. that is furnished. Different ED usually indicate different Family locations but not necessarily different families. I will post your information to the Query page at the next up date and include your e-mail address with the searchers that is a good way to have people also searching to find each other.

If this is not easy to read tell me and I will Format and send as a download for easy reading

Surname Given Date Born Age Born Present Location, Street Vol. ED

Magner Thomas , H, May 1858 42 IR. Niagara Lockport, Grasuenor 187 52

Moran Mary C , D, Feb 1875 25 IR. Niagara Lockport, Grasuenor 187 52

Magner Margaret , D, May 1878 22 IR. Niagara Lockport, Grasuenor 187 52

Magner Thomas J , S, Apr 1880 20 IR. Niagara Lockport, Grasuenor 187 52

Magner Nellie , D, Dec 1883 16 Can. Niagara Lockport, Grasuenor 187 52

Magner Joseph , S, Dec 1887 12 Can. Niagara Lockport, Grasuenor 187 52

Moran Michael , SL, Oct 29 NY Niagara Lockport, Grasuenor 187 52

Moran Edward , GS, Feb 1897 3 NY Niagara Lockport, Grasuenor 187 52

Moran Joseph , GS, Apr 1899 1 NY Niagara Lockpor,t Grasuenor 187 52

Magner William , H, Nov 1859 40 Lockport? NY 187 61

Magner Nellie , A, July 1863 35 Lockport? NY 187 61

Magner Mathew , H, Feb 1864 35 NY Lockport City 18 Chestnut St. 187 60

Magner Rose , W, Oct 1868 31 NY Lockport City 18 Chestnut St. 187 60

Magner Harold A , S, Oct 1890 10 NY Lockport City 18 Chestnut St. 187 60

1920 NEW YORK CENSUS http://www.magner.org/ny1920-1.htm

Surname, Given , C, Age, Born Address City County , Vol., E.D., Sheet, Page

Magner Anna , Sv, 70, NY 166 Pine Lockport Niagara , 321, 81, 7, 8

Libby Stanley D. 166 Pine Lockport Niagara , 321, 81, 7, 8

Magner Charles B , H, 59, NY 17 Maple Lockport Niagara , 321, 81, 8, 87

Magner Ellen , W, 40, NY 18 Maple Lockport Niagara , 321, 81, 8, 87

Franz Elmer , BL, 25, NY 18 Maple Lockport Niagara , 321, 81, 8, 87

Magner William , H, 58, NY 300 South Lockport Niagara , 321, 85, 11, 93

Magner Mary W , W, 48, NY 300 South Lockport Niagara 321, 85, 11, 93

Let me know if it helps, Jim Magner

Date: 8/2/99 2:31:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time

To: JimMagner

Thanks for the info and your help. I see Harriet's son Charles B. in the 1920 census. I wonder what happened to Harriet? Perhaps she and her husband moved out of the area. I think there may be an association with a Day family as well (in Lockport). Harriet's mother died when she was 2 and she then stayed with a Day family in Lockport. Possibly this could be a LaRue marrying a Day? Harriet's father had some sisters, and possibly brothers, but I don't know any of their names yet. Thanks again, CiCi

Date: 8/7/99 1:40:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time

Do you have any information on a Johanna Magner who married a Fruin? Both of my original Magners married Fruin sisters. See my web page below.

Thanks. Ronn

Date: 8/3/99 3:44:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time

To: JimMagner@aol.com

Hi Jim,

I found your genealogy page with a listing for Robert Magner but no further information is listed.

http://mayhem.atnf.csiro.au/warner/I5.html

Residence Magner Castle, Co. Cork. At least 10 children.

The only Magner information I have is from Brian Borneman - listed as a Magner Researcher on the www.magner.org web site. It seems I have not linked it into my database properly, but from

http://mayhem.atnf.csiro.au/warner/I2.html you can see what I have on the Warner descendents. From there it goes to Gaggin - you can see them in my gedcom index.

Henrietta

The following information was submittedby: David Magowan

Sent: Saturday, August 07, 1999 12:31 AM

mailing_list = YES

Birth = YES

Comments = Any info on the family name

On Sat Aug 7 17:59:53 1999,

Magner/Harrington

Area = Western NY. State Allegheny/Steuben Co

Descent = YES

My family of Magner’s came from Co. Cork, Ireland in later part of 1830's/early 1840's. The old man's name was John Magner his wife's name Margaret. Their son was also named John. He had brothers named David, Edward, Robert and a sister. John and David both married Harrington sisters. A Patrick Harrington married a Magner sister as well. As the story goes "one day John Magner SR was riding his horse through county Cork around Fermoy when a Englishmen offered him five pounds for his horse. John sr. was insulted! They fought over this insult and John won. He than rode home and told his two oldest children to go to America, Ireland was no place for them! They left that very day. John and Ellen Harrington Magner and David and Bridget H. Magner settled on south hill between Andover/Wellsville New York. Anyhow they both had many kids and as you can imagine all the rest of the brothers and sisters on both sides came over. The first generation was buried in Sacred Heart Cemetery in Wellsville. After that they went everywhere...just like rabbits!

Date: 8/7/99 9:01:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time

From: JimMagner

Bob,

I have an assortment of Magner genealogy information on the Magner Family Genealogy page at http://www.magner.org

Included are NY census for Magner's. Ellen Magner interests me in that we have been looking for a suspected Ellen Magner reported first husband of John Magner in County, Cork. The suspicions we have are based on family history of another wife and family names indicate it could be Ellen. Additionally I am try to locate a Ellen Magner that was last reported elderly and living in Greenwich Village, NY about 1910

Hope this helps, Jim Magner

Date: 8/8/99 7:28:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time

From: JimMagner

Robert,

Thank you for your reply references the Magner connection to your family. Yes the Allegheny/Lockport/Wellsville Magners have been known for some time. That was a rather large nest for the Magners in the early 1800's Do you have any available information for your Magner Ancestors prior to the 1900's that we can share on the Magner Clan Page for other interested searchers? We have many that are looking for Roots that originally settled in the northeast and relocated to the West and South.

There are several people that have commented about them on the Magner Clan Page. This is the first I have heard of the two Magner brothers marring two Harrington sisters that is an interesting piece of history. From you note it would appear your Magner Ancestors are of the Castletownroche/ Fermoy Branch. It is perhaps amusing but I can draw a conclusion between the Richard Magner with Cromwell in 1657 and the story you related of your John Magner being insulted in Fermoy. It would appear that we Magners have a sensitive nature to insult.

Thank you again and please keep in touch, Jim Magner http://www.magner.org

The following information was submitted:

Area = Indiana

Azariah (Elias) (Ezeriah) Magner his wife and 10 children, some with families of their own, migrated to Nebraska in 1869. Their son John and his wife Mary Jane Motter were among them. I would like information of their life before they came to Nebraska.

Joyce Griffin Magner

end

Date: 8/16/99 3:16:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time

To: JimMagner@AOL.COM CC: Maureenpat@AOL.COM

Dear Jim:

My Grandfather, James Joseph Magner, died on March 20, 1922 at Griffin Hospital in Derby, Connecticut. He is buried in St. Augustine's Cemetery in Seymour, Connecticut - the town where he lived for 25 years. The death certificate lists his birth date as "1867" - however, his marriage cert. lists birth date as "1866," while his naturalization papers indicate "1863." He came here from Ireland in 1880 - we have not found the exact date nor the ship's name. His obituary says he is "known to many in the associated communities [of Seymour] and in Waterbury [CT] through his activity and interest in civic affairs." It further states that "He also leaves two brothers and one sister, all living in Ireland."

Grandfather James was born in Lyre, Aherlow, County Tipperary. His father's name was also James (his mother, Mary Skielding).

Another interesting line from his obituary: "Mr. Magner will be remembered for his connection with many affairs in the cause of Irish freedom." It goes on to name the organizations such as the Friendly Sons of St. Patrick, American Relief in Ireland, and of course, the A. O. H. This is basically all we have on James Joseph. There are family "stories" of a brother who may have immigrated from Ireland to Australia. My own father, Maurice Patrick Magner, visited and often spoke about "cousins" in Waterbury. We are still making inquiries - it is believed the cousins were from both the Magner and O'Brien side of the family.

I am not sure any of this helps but I will keep your notes since it does seem probable that there may be a connection and will let you know of any further developments.

Sincerely,

Mary Magner Caldwell

From: drrmk@pe.net (RMK Research)

From Web site:

Sent: Sunday, August 15, 1999 4:03 PM

Subject: Query Form

> Name = Maureen Magner Lewis

> Surname = Magner

> Mailing_list = YES

> Area = CT

> Descent = YES

Searching for relatives of James Magner who lived in Seymour CT, born 1863 in Tipperary Ireland, married to Mary "Minnie" O'Brien in Seymour, she was born in Mitchelstown Co. Cork. He died in 1922 and she in 1940. One or both supposedly had relatives living in Waterbury and spent time socializing up there possibly with other relatives in the New Haven, Bridgeport area.

Date: 8/15/99 7:40:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time

Dear Bob: Yes, I am still searching for our Magner branch. While I now live in Virginia, my family branch of the Magners ended up in Connecticut after coming from Ireland about 1880.

However, there is a "historical" Catholic church here in Fairfax County, Virginia - St. Mary's - dating before the Civil War - and there are several Magners buried there. I believe Jim Magner had some data on these gravesites and you might check with him. Good luck in your search! And isn't the Magner page "grand" now? Sincerely,

Mary Magner Caldwell

Date: 8/12/99 10:23:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time

To: JimMagner@aol.com

Let me know if you would like a copy of the article. Besides the picture of the Canon, it says in the article about the Canon: "About a week after Kilmichael Canon Magner P.P. Dunmanway and on of his parishioners, J. Crowley, were captured and shot; a despicable retaliation for the Auxies' humiliation at Kilmichael. Canon Magner had been a curate in Bandon before that."

From: drrmk@pe.net (RMK Research)

----- Original Message -----

To: <webmaster@magner.org>

Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 1999 7:05 PM

I just came across your web site and am surprised at all the Magners there are. My grandmother's name was Elizabeth (Eliza) Magner. We traced her father (Daniel Magner) to Niagara, N.Y. and then found his father's grave (Edmond Magner) in Thornhill, Ontario. He had emigrated there from Ireland with his wife and three children. Three other children were born in Thornhill. Thornhill is a lovely old historic village outside of Toronto. I saw nothing about this branch of the Magners in the information that's been posted by other Magners. Daniel Magner had 6 children and they lived very interesting lives. I wonder if any other Magners would be interested in knowing about them? Also, we haven't been able to trace Edmond back to his origins in Ireland despite using the services of the Irish Heritage Resource Center in Cork - seems all the records were burned. Any suggestions?

Forgot to tell you - in our searches, the earliest Magner in the U.S. that we found was one Charles Magner who emigrated to Virginia in 1620 on the ship, George. Two years later, he had 600 acres near the James River. Don't know what happened to him.

Date: 8/18/99 3:24:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time

To: JimMagner@aol.com

I'm a Magner by marriage my husband is Glenn Curtis Magner his father is Glenn Curtis Magner son of Glenn Curtis and Grace Kelley. I believe they are from Landcaster Penn or Lebbon Penn. can you help?

Date: 8/18/99 10:33:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time

To: JimMagner

Charles Magner, Jamestown 1623-24. I found another link tonight that might be of interest to some of the searchers. I found JOSEPH MAGNER , listed on the Sussex County, Delaware Tax Roll for 1693. He could possibly be the link back from Saint Paul's Parish, MD in 1722, which everyone is looking for. I've searched all the graveyards in Sussex County that have been transcribed and are published in the Delaware Genealogist, but could not find a grave listed for him or any other Delaware links so far.